Curse

Takeko Nakano · Nov 15, 2008, 11:23 AM // 11:23

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

I love the smell of QQ and Whine in the mornings.

Ok you idiot, I'm tired of this crap. Normally when complaints arise I actually defend ANet because they concern things like people crying over not being able to farm an area or something. I haven't bitched about ANet for a very long time, so don't you step in with your Nazi-style "you are with us or against us" crap.

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Regina gave you the whys and what fors and that's that, so stop crying and whinning.

She gave us jack! She was the one whining about the economy, when dozens of people such as myself has said that could have been fixed BY NOT GIVING ANY MONEY FOR BOOKS ALREADY EARNT.

If you're going to troll check your facts first.

pumpkin pie · Nov 15, 2008, 11:33 AM // 11:33

1) don't understand people who already got the legendary vanquishing title for qq-ing, already have the title why do they still need the book?

2) retroactive can only work in my humble opinion on one condition, Faction Gained thru HFFF are calculated and minus from the account that wish to retroactive their book etc.

I'll add more when I think of it.

great update once again.

Gill Halendt · Nov 15, 2008, 11:39 AM // 11:39

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

1) don't understand people who already got the legendary vanquishing title for qq-ing, already have the title why do they still need the book?

Wait a minute. I've always been told that titles are pointless, titles don't mean jack, titles don't equal ability. So, how's a title supposed to be a "reward"?

BTW, people doing LG now are getting it as well, along with significant rewards older players won't get unless they do everything again.

pumpkin pie · Nov 15, 2008, 12:03 PM // 12:03

I don't understand what you are trying to say?

If you want the significant rewards then play the game. Its here, available for everyone, who's stopping you?

If you have achieved max title, why do you even need the book or significant reward? the book and its significant rewards help you in achieving the title?? yes or no? if you already have the titles why do you need the book to be retroactive?

What has this got to do with title being pointless?

I am a big fan of titles for your information.

007wood · Nov 15, 2008, 12:10 PM // 12:10

Combined Wisdom and Treasure Hunter w00t!

Fril Estelin · Nov 15, 2008, 12:33 PM // 12:33

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

I don't understand what you are trying to say?

If you read behind the lines of some posts, you'll see that some want recognition of their "title" of "veteran players". Typing /age is not enough, because they feel less "veteran" now that new players getting their LG title (same difficulty, different rewards) are getting something they didn't get (possibly "forcing" them to redo some missions to get a full book). Behind the dangerous (but inevitable) term of "fairness", some people want a form of "equality" where they are recognised as "superiors" because of what they did (i.e. get these rewards for their past LG title). I guess these "veteran" people feel inferior to new players because they only had the "fun" and not money/XP/factions.

This thread reminds me of the ones on the BMP (the "I didn't buy the game online and I want my cool weapons" kind of message), or even some more recents about Proph end-game or MOX. The worst part is when the QQer rationalises his QQing, discussing issues of fairness (some good points were made nevertheless) as if it were an inalienable right granted to them because they paid the same price for the game as people who buy it now (it would be of course "completely" different if they were paying monthly-fee).

I really, really hope that Linsey and the devs never hear about this QQing, apart from the part where people who had protector and guardian titles should get rewards, or Regina can explain why this is bad for the economy (no one has yet provided a link on her alleged message saying so).

pumpkin pie · Nov 15, 2008, 12:40 PM // 12:40

everytime i don't do vanquishing during double vanquishing rewards weekend, after the weekend, can I QQ for to be compensated when I did do vanquishing after that?

[Sarcasm]

I protest for all the vanquishing I've done one week prior to this double vanquishing reward weekend!!!

I pretest to be compensated for all the kill captured before double exp points for skill capture is introduced

boy i have lots of things to protest that I've done when the game was different!
[/Sarcasm]

Abedeus · Nov 15, 2008, 12:41 PM // 12:41

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(no one has yet provided a link on her alleged message saying so).

Page 2, post nr. 39.

Although there isn't such a thing as "bad for the economy". Because there is no economy to begin with.

Gill Halendt · Nov 15, 2008, 12:48 PM // 12:48

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

If you want the significant rewards then play the game. Its here, available for everyone, who's stopping you?

Nothing. Already got two books filled while this thread keeps going. I had to do AGAIN things I've done multiple times before, without getting a reward that's being handed out now, because...

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

If you have achieved max title, why do you even need the book or significant reward? the book and its significant rewards help you in achieving the title?? yes or no? if you already have the titles why do you need the book to be retroactive?

... a title is an achievement, not a reward.

BTW, I've both Legendary Guardian and Legendary Vanquisher. The title this reward could have helped me getting is a reputation title (the Kurzick one, to be specific). So, yes, I could have used a book I've already played for. It's unfair to penalize older players because they acomplished things before this update, expecially one that is so late and pretends to be grind-reducing... having people to play the same stuff over and over in order to improve a broken title.

To improve my Kurzick title:

- I'm supposed to do all the missions again, be them NM or HM, multiple times. Ok, but it did them at least once with my LG. Shouldn't I be able to pay to get ONE (1, one single) book filled, so that I (quoting from the NPC dialogue) "won't have to repeat all that I've already done"? That's what the fee was meant to be there for, ain't it? Or is that really just there for lazy people who can't waste a second to pick an empty book now and have their page filled when they're done?!

- Vanquish the same two or three areas I've already vanquished once when rewards were sensibly smaller. Ok, I could do this as well, but then again, I can't see how this is going to reduce grind. I'm repeating a useless activity - I've already achieved LV, what for? - just to get faction. That's GRIND, no matter how you call it.

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

I protest for all the vanquishing I've done one week prior to this double vanquishing reward weekend!!!

I pretest to be compensated for all the kill captured before double exp points for skill capture is introduced

boy i have lots of things to protest that I've done when the game was different!

Those are EVENTS, temporary changes, one-of-a-kind. We're talking about a PERMANENT change that came at least one or two years late, when most of the people here already have done what they're asked to do now to get some credit. Now they have to do it all again, for no apparent reason. Books are just a pityful attempt to disguise grinding.

pumpkin pie · Nov 15, 2008, 12:50 PM // 12:50

yes and i want my elite skill captures experience points as well, it helps me get survivor!

PS: vanquishing isn't the only activity to gain faction.... come on, linsey updated so many ways to gain faction, pick one!

Red Sonya · Nov 15, 2008, 12:54 PM // 12:54

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

I agree. They don't owe us anything and, in the end, this whole complaint won't solve anything anytime soon. That's it, take it or leave it.

If devs are supposed not to care of players, stop asking being "grateful" for what they did. That's what they're paid for, that's their job and they're offering support for a product we've paid. We don't owe them gratitude, we paid for what we got and, quite frankly, I'm disappointed and expressing my disappointment. I don't care if they've spent 7 days a week to work for this update, it's their fault not having addressed so many issues before. Backlog of work for them, that's their problem.

I liken this to the same fact that people come into my office to file for unemployment and gripe and complain because everything is in Austin instead of right there where THEY want it. I look at them and say well you can either use the method that is imposed or you can forget getting any unemployment benefits. They are in a lose situation any other way they look at it. It's not going to change and they will follow the rules or they won't get any benefits plain and simple so there is no reason complaining or whinning about it to ME. Much the same way it is here. Nobody really cares if you're upset or don't like it. Anet does what it thinks is best for the WHOLE population not just YOU or a few of you or a handful of you...the WHOLE population and these are the ways it is right now so live with it or you don't get any BENEFITS! Capish?

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Ok you idiot, I'm tired of this crap. Normally when complaints arise I actually defend ANet because they concern things like people crying over not being able to farm an area or something. I haven't bitched about ANet for a very long time, so don't you step in with your Nazi-style "you are with us or against us" crap.

And you troll would be one of those in my office that it would take a very long time to get your benefits.

We have ways of dealing with overly irate or idiotic acting customers. Funny that fax didn't go through that has all your information on it for unemployment benefits, awwww it will take 3 more weeks to resubmit and verify all your employment history.

Oh nooooes something happened to the fax again.....3 more weeks...we'll get it right this time promise (fingers crossed behind back lol)

Gill Halendt · Nov 15, 2008, 01:11 PM // 13:11

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Nobody really cares if you're upset or don't like it. Anet does what it thinks is best for the WHOLE population not just YOU or a few of you or a handful of you...the WHOLE population and these are the ways it is right now so live with it or you don't get any BENEFITS! Capish?

It's not just me. There's a lot of players complaining here, for a reason (they could have satisfied ANYONE, not just MOST OF the population, and this whole thread is about reasonable solutions they could have implemented to prevent this). And not caring about your upset customers isn't a great thing in any business.

I'm living with it BTW, it's a game I really enjoy. I'll probably have my things (my BENEFITS) done anyway. I just don't think this approach is fair and this puts a dent in the high regard I used to have about developers. I'm not whining, I'm expressing my opinion about this update, and I'm bringing arguments to my position. It's my right, as much as it's your right to disagree, unless you try to shut my mouth by telling I should "stop whining".

Fril Estelin · Nov 15, 2008, 01:16 PM // 13:16

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

There's a lot of players complaining here

"Here" is Guru, whose active bunch may be in the order of 1,000 which may be less than 1% of the GW population (or if you want to be very conservative you say 5%). And how many people complaining in this thread? 20? 50? (very conservative estimate) So, are you sure about your "a lot"?

Takeko Nakano · Nov 15, 2008, 01:41 PM // 13:41

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

And you troll would be one of those in my office that it would take a very long time to get your benefits. We have ways of dealing with overly irate or idiotic acting customers.

Ah, so you're one of those sad public-sector employees who gets their jollies out of making other people's lives a misery. You do realise that a lot of people who you're slagging off probably pay your salary through their taxes.

I find it interesting that the abuse is being dealt out by ANet's defenders.

Fril Estelin · Nov 15, 2008, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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Originally Posted by Takeko Nakano

I find it interesting that the abuse is being dealt out by ANet's defenders.

So much for the "Nazi-style "you are with us or against us" crap" (sic)!

Takeko Nakano · Nov 15, 2008, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

So much for the "Nazi-style "you are with us or against us" crap" (sic)!

Oh don't pick on individual words. I'm not trying to censor anyone and defending ANet is hardly a crime or abusive term to use. Have I said anyone who backs them are like people claiming benefit or whatever?

Have a sense of proportion. Your repeated comments against people who are not satisfied with this change is getting ridiculous.

Gill Halendt · Nov 15, 2008, 02:17 PM // 14:17

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

And how many people complaining in this thread? 20? 50? (very conservative estimate) So, are you sure about your "a lot"?

I see more people complaining than the people pissed off by complaints here in this thread. So, in proportion, that's a lot to me.

Apollo Smile · Nov 15, 2008, 02:58 PM // 14:58

This thread is hilarious! Nothing better than seeing a bunch of "veterans" bitching about a paltry sum of gold and uneeded faction, while they sit on their piles of ectos, wearing their maxed title tracks!

Abedeus · Nov 15, 2008, 03:08 PM // 15:08

I have no ectoes in my storage or any valuable materials. The only maxed titles I have are Protectors on main character.

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bitching about a paltry sum of gold

Any amount of gold is a good amount of gold.

Aldric · Nov 15, 2008, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

This thread is hilarious! Nothing better than seeing a bunch of "veterans" bitching about a paltry sum of gold and uneeded faction, while they sit on their piles of ectos, wearing their maxed title tracks!

Almost as hilarious as retarded assumptions